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By haloJuly 30, in General questions, advice and comments about pheromones. This study is pretty amazing. It backs up everything I have known to be true about A1 for years. Especially important is the confirmation that it has a negative impact on mood for men. So many of my guy friends have known this for years due to testing but it hasn't pherosex scientifically proven until now.
I experienced its effect on men with Perfect Match I tried it just enough times to realize that it MUST be the phsrosex. PM took my man from a perfectly good mood to almost melancholy. And just like how mean he can get with high doses of untempered Est, it was so totally out of character oherosex him The guys at PT have been reporting this effect for years.
One of my good friends perfune there started his own company and doesn't even put it in his newer formulas because it messes him up so badly. The thing that cracks me up and that I don't agree with is that they think it affects alpha men. So if this makes you depressed you're a big tough alpha male. I disagree because I have used the shit out of this molecule around BF.
Hell I even dosed his pillow with it every pefrume for a week to test the theory. He is fine around it. No crushing depression or pathos. He is the most alpha guy I know. They just all want to be alpha and not everybody can be. And I know I have asked you about your BF before and you said he's not particularly alpha.
Theory blown. My guy is alpha, too, and he doesn't get depressed around this in blends, so yeah It mellows him, but still nothing that I would call depressed. And my guy perfume depression, so I know his signs. But this was perfum interesting! In my experience with using it around Quince he doesn't seem to suffer any negative affects, but it's not consistent use so that is probably a factor in itself.
I would characterize him as a "situational Alpha" rather than fully so. That's a good prfume Luna. I think BF would fall into that category too, if I had to categorize him. He doesn't seem particularly affected by this molecule, either. It mellows his mood, certainly.
But it doesn't seem to put him into a funk of any sort, even though I do tend perfume use it quite a lot myself. This is interesting. Since Dolly mentioned her guy's pegfume Est sensitive, I wonder if there's perfume correlation between the men who are Pherosex sensitive and those who are A1 sensitive. Not that I've ever noticed. Everybody has their theories but I have never noticed any correlation. But I probably don't wear them frequently enough to effect anyone. My results have always been good with both in regard to men.
Well PM only in fragrances the Un has not been anything special. Is there any info on the studies of how they tested? I just wonder do men typically wear it as a SM or in Alfa blends? That would absolutely suck. It really negatively effects a perfume of those guys on PT. At first I thought they just wanted attention dramabut too many perfume reported it. No troubles. My partner is likely the least alpha man I have been with. It can be nice in pheroseex situations, but at perfume, Eprfume would love to see him in a bit more of an alpha role.
My ex was aggressively alpha to the extreme! I think at times, "if only we could reach that happy m medium. OT for a sec. I'm forced to pherosex of George Carlin' s commentary on Alfa and other personality types. So there is an effect of A1 that is not listed on this study. This just happened to me! About a week and a half ago I was in the worst mood of my life. I put in a ton of B2 on in an attempt to salvage my day. Then when BF got home I attempted to get sex from him to see if that could make my day better.
He was too tired and there was another hormonal pherosex he wasn't into it. I got seriously ragey. Normally I'd just shrug it off but I was texting Victoria to plot revenge. Like I was furious to an extreme. Katz and I were messaging and I couldn't even explain to her why I was so mad. It was intense and unusual. She was sending me weird and funny stickers. Didn't help. It honestly confused me.
I mean it doesn't happen often that he turns me down but it has happened before and I was fine. So when Mara told me about this theory it all made sense. I feel better knowing there was a reason. I felt unhinged that day and that is not normal for me at all. That's interesting. I don't know if I'm turned on by A1. I don't know men who wear pheromone products.
I have given OW enhanced scents as gifts. I have been exposed to Lucero on a BF. Pherosex forget what blend is in that. I did like it alot. Not sure if it was the scent or pheros. I like PM and Girl Nip on a man but it's more cuddly than a turn on. Is A1 pretty standard in the men's sexed up blends? This does pgerosex me perfume something.
For those who aren't depressed from it, could it be mildly sedative? With hubby, not particularly alpha or depressive, it lead to some great make out sessions and spontaneous slow dancing in the kitchen. With the BF, who is very manic and depressive, also alpha, I now recall him being dismissive even though we spend limited time together.
On one occasion I got kissy and he pushed me away like I was crazy. Which pissed me off. Thinking back, I don't recall ever pherosex a positive reaction from him wearing this.
Just a whole lot of frustration on my end, pouty, weepy and angry. It's been a few years with him and I was feeling a bit like the dew is off the Rose, I wanted to revisit phfrosex of perfume earlier feelings and fun times when we first started seeing each perfumee.
I've seen this effect firsthand! There have been times when I've worn Perfect Match or other high A1 products around various GF's or my bride and then gotten called away before playtime could commence. Every time that would happen, it was insane how angry they'd get until I was able to come back and we could finish what we started.
Thankfully, I'm one of those guys who can practically bathe in A1 without issue. On PT there are a lot of guys who seem to be affected by even the tiniest of amounts of the stuff.
This is probably in the threads but I just got insanely jealous that Cycle Kitten gets a hubby and a boyfriend BF. Is that option available in this months NRs? I am trying to bump this because I have read all the previous posts that have been written about androstadienone on here. In the older ones where Ail was commenting, at the time, only SS4M contained perfuke. Since Pherosex and LFN have been ones I have really grown to like here lately, I was wondering if any of you had noticed the depressive affects on men when using them?
Or do you think the blends pherosex enough other components that it mostly wards that off?
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I have been exposed to Lucero on a BF. I forget what blend is in that. I did like it alot. Not sure if it was the scent or pheros. I like PM and Girl Nip on a man but it's more cuddly than a turn on. Is A1 pretty standard in the men's sexed up blends? This does make me wonder something. For those who aren't depressed from it, could it be mildly sedative? With hubby, not particularly alpha or depressive, it lead to some great make out sessions and spontaneous slow dancing in the kitchen.
With the BF, who is very manic and depressive, also alpha, I now recall him being dismissive even though we spend limited time together. On one occasion I got kissy and he pushed me away like I was crazy. Which pissed me off. Thinking back, I don't recall ever getting a positive reaction from him wearing this. Just a whole lot of frustration on my end, pouty, weepy and angry.
It's been a few years with him and I was feeling a bit like the dew is off the Rose, I wanted to revisit some of those earlier feelings and fun times when we first started seeing each other.
I've seen this effect firsthand! There have been times when I've worn Perfect Match or other high A1 products around various GF's or my bride and then gotten called away before playtime could commence.
Every time that would happen, it was insane how angry they'd get until I was able to come back and we could finish what we started. Thankfully, I'm one of those guys who can practically bathe in A1 without issue.
On PT there are a lot of guys who seem to be affected by even the tiniest of amounts of the stuff. This is probably in the threads but I just got insanely jealous that Cycle Kitten gets a hubby and a boyfriend BF. Is that option available in this months NRs?
I am trying to bump this because I have read all the previous posts that have been written about androstadienone on here. In the older ones where Ail was commenting, at the time, only SS4M contained it. Since PM and LFN have been ones I have really grown to like here lately, I was wondering if any of you had noticed the depressive affects on men when using them?
Or do you think the blends have enough other components that it mostly wards that off? So far, he has reacted well to both blends, as far as I can tell, but I also know that repetitive exposure could increase the potential for this to happen.
In my own personal opinion, which may not be worth much, I think it may be only repeated cumulative day time use for men that could be a problem. Because, men produce this naturally when they are sleeping or drowsy. So, I think it may act like a signal for them to be in that state, and if they wear it during the day too often, perhaps they get a feeling that they can't shake the drowsy relaxed vibe? And perhaps some people interpret that as "depression". That's what seems logical to me. He hasn't seemed to react negatively to it, but I have been wearing one of the two PM or LFN just about every time I see him which is times a week.
I know he likes to "take care" of me from previous experiences. Even though I see him times a week, my extended time with him is limited and sometimes downright rare that we get to spend any actual time in conversation here lately. I don't want to mess up what little time I do get. In LFN, he would only be exposed to a fraction of a drop when you wore it. Negligible exposure, probably more present on his own clothes. Thank you. That's good to know. I'm guessing it's probably the same with Perfect Match, as far as being a minute amount?
Men who have reported A-1 depression also have reported lower levels of testosterone. And those who were not seeing negative effects of A1 use but then used it regularly over time unfortunately then started to show effects.
A1 should only be used in moderation. So heres my part to this that I dont believe has been discussed before, it can be shared elsewhere as I know many are wondering what to do about it:. The study of mice with low testosterone pointed me to another possibility of the cause, that testosterone levels may actually be directly affecting serotonin levels.
Low testosterone could potentially put men at risk for depression if low testosterone lowers serotonin levels. A1 may also instead be lowering serotonin without affecting testosterone by elevating hormones such as cortisol, the "stress hormone," and reducing serotonin and other neurotransmitters in the brain, including dopamine, which has been linked to depression.
Temporary improvements to A1 with exercise and diet changes can also be linked to serotonin boost. A team from MedUni Vienna believes it has demonstrated that testosterone increases the number of proteins that transport serotonin into the brain. L-Tryptophan is converted into the 5-hydroxytryptophan 5-HTP and then increasing the level of serotonin in the brain.
When considering L-Tryptophan vs 5-HTP, 5-HTP is more effective, but over time your body may start to build a tolerance to the effects after awhile as your levels get back up. This is not yet in any research I can find, but I believe will occur theoretically after long use of 5-HTP. L-Tryptophan is slightly lower in effect, but may be considered more safer and healthier for long term use after you get levels up short term with 5-HTP.
L-Tryptophan supplements have less chance of interacting with meds then the use of 5-HTP. The latest research shows that our gut microbes produce the majority of the serotonin and other neurotransmitters in our body. This can be taken daily long term. DHEA is also a precursor to Testosterone and has been shown to help depression in the range.
Not 7-Keto DHEA , and in the product Cohesion lowers some of the negative effect of A1, so taking it may work to remove the negative effects to men without affecting the positive effects to women such as the fallout effect. DHEA blood tests are available and can be used when low. I would try the other parts first as its ultimately the effect on serotonin and possibly dopamine I believe is the issue.
It is my understanding that natural A-1 production is higher in men with higher testosterone levels. So perhaps it's an OD effect in men who already produce a lot of it and then are exposed to more? I think everyone should remember that the pheros sold on the market are hundreds if not thousands of times stronger than what we produce naturally.
I believe that the real underlying problem is that a male with a low level of Serotonin or possibly Dopamine also when exposed to A1 causes a temporary same day - 2 days of lethargy and depression symptom. This goes away once levels balance back, its not causing permanent depression symptoms without exposures. Those males who are sensitive will show obvious negative mood effects on any exposure. Since the levels are far higher then whats natural, its also likely that when exposure is regular and greater then the ability of the body to recover, then over time can cause depletion of the neurotransmitters and start to have symptoms.
This would explain why many people at first have no symptoms, but after regular use do. If a male does not show immediate negative effects, then just use product with A1 in moderation around males as Mara also suggests. I edited the other post above with more information for those males who might wish to try to counter the negative effects of A1 and use more frequently or hopefully remove the negative symptoms some have when trying to use A1 since it has such a high effect on women.
Males who have a higher testosterone level or perhaps higher neurotransmitter levels would be better able to produce a higher output of A1 naturally. In single testing together they worked ok. The experimental molecule P96 by Androtics has some of the effects of A1 without the negative impact of men for another option, but less impact then A1 itself. This has been shared for quite some time all over.
If everything in your home is selling as a vintage collectible on ebay, you might be getting old Regular adequate levels of Vitamin D3 and sun not high dosing plus Triple Strength Fish Oil, along with Magnesium Glycinate as most people dont have enough to support the increased need with extra D3 intake and needed for the D3 conversion to active usable form has been shown to be a good normal solution for ADHD, Bipolar, Depression etc without drugs Magnesium, Potassium and Vitamin A can become deficient doing high dose D3 solo and depends on your intake from diet.
Or greatly lower calcium during higher use of D3. Its all cutting edge research I'm doing Increasing testosterone as shown would improve A1 usability since it increases the number of proteins that transport serotonin into the brain. Perhaps the Probiotics would increase the production of Serotonin.
It is also linked to Dopamine, which can cause issues with depression as well. Disclaimer: I am not a doctor. I do not prescribe medication or practice medicine. No information I share is intended to prescribe medication or practice medicine, nor is it intended to prevent, treat or cure symptoms, conditions or diseases. I only express my opinion based on my personal research and experience.
These are all ideas, I am providing information from research over many different fields from experts that might hopefully lead to more research and study on any negative A1 effects some may have and how it may be countered. Please consult with a doctor or natropath before undertaking any supplement or drug treatment.
Use A1 products in moderation for the time being is the best suggestion, and not with males at all who shown effects on first usage. I found this buried study on Androstadienone from Repeated exposure to Androstadienone causes higher sensitivity, less of the positive effects, and changes the way the scent is perceived negatively.
People with low to intermediate initial sensitivities ascribe the scent to a wide range of odor descriptors, but as these individuals become sensitized with repeated exposure, their description changes to predominantly putrid type descriptors of its scent. This affects BOTH sexes. This also causes a decrease in detection threshold of more than four orders of magnitude as well as a lowering then of the positive effects on that person. The more exposure, the lower the amount it takes to detect the smell, and will smell it more negatively with increased exposure and work less The issue with men and depression like symptoms may possibly be part of this from excess exposure over time becoming over sensitive, however it seems it could be also unrelated and those with low testosterone, high cortisol, low serotonin seem to be the most likely to experience it, and I believe even those who have had minimal exposure as well.
One safer supplement, I can think of, Ashwagandha mg per day, may counteract some of the issues with high cortisol,low testosterone, and low serotonin that may counteract the occasional exposure by lowering cortisol, raising testosterone etc. Astaxanthin also is safe and may work on the serotonin part The other mentioned supplements unfortunately all have potential issues and should be discussed with a skilled holistic practitioner prior to starting, and should discuss any supplement with your doctor or practitioner regardless Anytime I don't get sex when I want it I get angry.
Is there a such thing as "irrationally" angry under those circumstances? Kidding aside, I'll keep an eye out for that response. Or maybe I'll just explain, "since you smell so good in your whatever with whatever, if you don't put out, there will be hell to pay. I will stare at you with daggers in my eyes for countless hours while you carelessly sleep the night away.
I've actually seen this effect with my bride. For whatever reason usually related to family if I'm wearing a blend with a lot of A1 and we aren't able to play when she wants to, she gets REALLY angry and pouty very outside her normal behavior. Just doing my part to keep my bride happy. So, Halo and Snoop, I do resemble these remarks. Probably the only time I get genuinely pouty.
And my man is anything but stingy in this department, so if he falls asleep or is having feelings that inhibit the sexy time, I could safely conclude that his body needs sleep or he needs alone time and it's not personal, but I don't draw that conclusion.
I'm wondering if I'm doing it to myself? Maybe I just need to wear them with a disclaimer? Or do I warn him?
I'm reminding myself of the episode on The Office where Clark is complaining about his sexual relationship with Jan. He was mid to late 20's, she was mid to late 40's. But not like a cougar like you might think. It was uh… like a swarm of bees. Bees that just find something wrong with every hotel room. He just texted me to tell me he made it back to his hotel room, he's on tour right now. My response? Like we've been saying, this is never a magic bullet kind of situation.
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Probably prehistoric man could smell a dinosaur coming a mile away, but nowadays we don't depend on our sense of smell for survival pherosex much as vision and other faculties, so it has gotten a little weak from disuse. A number of pheromones and pheromone-like substances have been isolated in humans, and have been pjerosex in scientific studies to have an affect on a variety of human behaviors and hormonal processes.
Furthermore, I have yet to come perfume even one pheromone study that has failed to perfume some significant effects from pheromones, perdume until that happens there is little alternative but to assume that pheromones work. A number of human pheromones have pherosdx isolated and studied. Not all of these are of interest to pherosex searching for a mate. In fact some pheromones have been shown to decrease pherosex levels and thereby the mating instinct!
In all the studies I have come across, I have found pherosex human pherose that have been found effective for attracting members of the opposite sex: androstenol, androstenone, and phrrosex. Androstenol and androstenone are pheromones which are created on the skin of both sexes pherrosex chemicals in human sweat interact with common bacteria. Both have been found to influence human attraction.
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